Cold Wars 2017 - TRIUMPH! Open 15mm

[David Schlanger]

We held our first ever official TRIUMPH! tournament on Friday night at Cold Wars 2017. Thanks to everyone that participated, it was a lot of fun! Congrats to Rod for winning the event. Also, thanks to Thistle and Rose for the lovely donated army pack prize!

12 Players:
Spencer Ginder - Later Heian and Kamakura Samurai - (1W, 2L)
6x Horse Bow, 2x Archer, 8x Rabble (48)

John Desmond - Medieval German Princes - (2W, 1L)
3x Knight, 5x Heavy Foot, 1x Archer, 3x Bow Levy, 4x Horde, 1x Skirmisher (48)

Scott Kastler - Order of St. John - (2W, 1L)
2x Knight, 4x Heavy Foot, 6x Bow Levy, 2x Archer, 2x Elite Foot (48)

Jonathan Bostwick - Numidian or Early Moorish - (2W, 1L)
1x Elephant, 1x Heavy Foot, 5x Javelin Cavalry, 5x Light Foot, 1x Skirmisher, 1x Rabble (47)

Terry Griner - Polybian Roman - (2W, 1L)
1x Javelin Cavalry, 2x Bad Horse, 6x Elite Foot, 2x Heavy Foot, 4x Rabble (48)

Brian Peruski - Early New Kingdom Egyptian - (0W, 3L)
4x Chariot, 4x Raider, 3x Bow Levy, 2x Skirmisher, 1x Archer (48)

Tim Myers - Marian Roman - (1W, 2L)
2x Javelin Cavalry, 7x Elite Foot, 2x Bad Horse, 2x Skirmisher (48)

Alex Bostwick - Hittite Empire - (2W, 1L)
4x Chariot, 6x Light Spear, 2x Skirmisher, 4x Horse (48)

Rod Cain - Classical Indian - (3W, 0L)
3x Elephant, 4x Bow Levy, 1x Heavy Foot, 2x Bad Horse, 2x Chariot, 5x Horde (47)

David Schlanger / David Kuijt - Mitanni - (2W, 1L)
8x Chariot, 2x Light Foot, 2x Skirmisher, 2x Horde (48)

Mark Burton - Western Hunnic - (1W, 2L)
12x Horse Bow (48)

Wendy Myers - Early German - (0W, 3L)
3x Javelin Cavalry, 8x Warrior, 2x Rabble (48)

Final Results:
1) Rod Cain - Classical Indian - [338 points]
2) David Schlanger / David Kuijt - Mitanni - [266 points]
3) Jonathan Bostwick - Numidian or Early Moorish - [244 points]
4) Scott Kastler - Order of St. John - [234 points]
5)Terry Griner - Polybian Roman - [227 points]
6) Alex Bostwick - Hittite Empire - [217 points]
7) John Desmond - Medieval German Princes - [216 points]
8) Spencer Ginder - Later Heian and Kamakura Samurai - [138 points]
9) Tim Myers - Marian Roman - [128 points]
10) Mark Burton - Western Hunnic - [127 points]
11) Brian Peruski - Early New Kingdom Egyptian - [21 points]
12) Wendy Myers - Early German - [4 points]

[Gregorius]

Any pictures David?

Cheers,

[Scott Kastler]

I'd like to thank Dave, Dave, Jack, Rod, and everyone else on the Triumph team(sorry if I forgot names) for a GREAT weekend.
Thanks
Scott

[gmcalum2001]

Congratulations on a successful tournament! I hope to join you all at the next convention.

[Rod]

Some Pics from the Tournament...

[Rod]

David and David, thanks for running the event..... Great players and another really fun event.

Brian says I have to retire the Indian Horde army from open tournament play

(But if you run a classical Alexander or otherwise appropriately themed event in the future, they may return )

[David Kuijt]

Brian says I have to retire the Indian Horde army from open tournament play

Brian's a weenie! Your massive mobility (arr arr) would have left you broken and weeping against light foot, artillery, massed archers, and lots of other armies.

It's going to be very interesting to see what people come up with as their favorite tournament armies in the next few years. It's an evolving social experiment.

[Rod]

I expected them to be broken and weeping against most enemies....

But shear dumb luck is often more powerful than skill and tactics

[Fab]

I'm curious :

Any time limit for the games ?
If so, any draw ?

How did you calculate the points ?

Thanks
Fab

[David Kuijt]

Any time limit for the games ?
If so, any draw ?

How did you calculate the points ?

Rounds were one hour; we weren't very sticky about it because it was a small tourney so we weren't going to run out of time, but I think all the battles were complete within the one hour timeframe after the first round (which takes a little longer as people are getting out their terrain, getting their army organized, etc. etc.). First round was probably 1:15 time limit?

No battles were called as draws due to timing out.

Points were:

• 100 + pts killed - pts lost for the winner
• pts killed for the loser
• if there was a tie, same (for both players) as loser

Sacking a camp counts as 10 pts killed.
Killing a general counts as 10 pts killed.

This is a modification of the NASMW point system for DBA we developed a long time ago and used for a decade. The NASAMW system was 20 +kills -losses; Generals and Camps 2 pts. The extra granularity is a result of DBA counting "elements" and Triumph counting points (so a stand of Bow Levy is 2 pts; a stand of Elephants is 4 pts).

I think in future events we're going to switch to 80 pts base and camp/general costing 8 pts (instead of 100/10/10 as we ran it), because it is a little confusing for camps to cost 8 pts towards victory, and 10 pts towards the point system. Better to just go with a straight "NASAMW x 4" system of 80/8/8.