What happens here?

[Roundie]

Hi
I introduced a few friends to Triumph this week and although all of the games (4 in total) went well. In the last game we played today an interesting combat result happened and I wasn't sure what to do after fighting the combat.
In picture 1 the Jav Cav has charged into a column group (warriors in the front, skirmishers behind). The warriors didn't conform as it was a legal contact. After roll the dice the warriors were doubled and destroyed (picture 2).
My question is what happens to the skirmishers(A)? Do they turn to face and fall back? fall back into the heavy foot and die? or stay put because they are not in legal contact with the cavalry and did not support the combat?

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If they stay where they are what happens next? They aren't in legal contact so can they just sit there not fighting? what are the options for the Jav Cav? Oh whoops my photos are a little out here in our game the heavy foot was across the skirmisher corner "A" preventing the Jav cav hitting the back edge of the skirmishers (when charging) or from simply sliding into legal contact on the next turn.

Could the Jav Cav just move into front contact with the skirmishers in its following turn from its current location?

Any help here would be great
cheers
R

[Roundie]

Right sorry I think I've got the photo right now

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[Rod]

With the flank blocked the Jav Cav can move into the front edge or the Skirmisher could choose to withdraw from ZOC when it was their move.

There is no "illegal contact" in Triumph, you can touch another unit but not be in combat contact and it just means they are in really close ZOC.

[Roundie]

Cool
Thanks Rod

[greedo]

I know that this is an old thread but had A question:
The warriors would die even if they were just beaten wouldn’t they?
Since the would try to turn to face the jav cav before recoiling but would be blocked by the skirmishers?
Or would the skirmishers backup to let the warriors rotate so that they could recoil?
Or would the skirmishers rotate with the warriors in column?

[Rod]

The warriors would die, if they cannot turn they are destroyed.

This is frequently the penalty when the head of a column is hit in the flank.

[Bill Hupp]

A follow up question on columns. If the Jav Cav had fully convered the flanks of both stands of the column, killed the first stand, leaving the Jav Cav in contact with the flank of the skirmishers stand, would the skirmisher stand now be in combat with the Jav Cav? And if the skirmisher stand failed to move on its turn, then the Jav Cav would fight the skirmisher with flank advantage?

[Rod]

Yes Bill, the Cav would be able to fight the skirmisher on the next combat phase if it had covered both flanks.

[skc]

The warriors would die, if they cannot turn they are destroyed.

This is frequently the penalty when the head of a column is hit in the flank.

Rod, In this situation would the Warriors not be able to turn without dying? I.E. Their front left corner now ends up where their back left corner was and they would then recoil along the front of the Skirmishers. Or do they pivot around their front left corner and stick out to the left front of the Jav Cav? (& still not die) I get confused. Just want to clarify.

[Rod]

The warriors would die, if they cannot turn they are destroyed.

This is frequently the penalty when the head of a column is hit in the flank.

Rod, In this situation would the Warriors not be able to turn without dying? I.E. Their front left corner now ends up where their back left corner was and they would then recoil along the front of the Skirmishers. Or do they pivot around their front left corner and stick out to the left front of the Jav Cav? (& still not die) I get confused. Just want to clarify.

The front corner switches with the other front corner. In other words they have to face the attackers by replacing the left front corner with the right front corner. They cannot do that because they are effectively the "head" of a column. The head of a column is always vulnerable to this issue because the lead element cannot conform due to the units behind it.