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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:42 am

The "Hallstat and La Tene" list should be "Hallstatt and ..." with a double 't'.
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Vic » Tue May 07, 2019 8:17 am

David Kuijt wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:47 am
Vic wrote:I think the compositions of the Hawaii and Polynesian or Melanesian lists in Meshwesh are erroneously exchanged.

The Polynesian and Melanesian list includes regular pikemen (which as far as I know were exclusive of Hawaii) which are further referred to as Papakaua (a Hawaiian term if I'm not mistaken), as well as commoners in Hordes and Rabble.

I think the Invasion/Maneuver ratings are correct, however.

Could you confirm if this is the case?
You're quite correct; the interlinks between two pages of the source data were set up wrong. In the Sublist Metadata page three of the five sublists of the Polynesian/Melanesian group (Fiji/Samoa/Tonga, Hawaii, Polynesian) are in one order; in the main element listing page they are in another order. I'll fix (and check to make sure that the enemies lists are correct as well).

Thanks for the assistance.
Hi,

I had a look at the lists as they are now and I'm afraid the confusion has spread rather than be reduced.

Unless I'm mistaken, there are now three sublists for which the composition is misattributed:

- The composition listed for Polynesian and Melanesian (Pikes, Raiders, Rabble, Skirmishers and Horde) should belong to Hawaii
- The composition listed for Fiji, Samoa, or Tonga (Raiders and Skirmishers) should belong to Polynesian and Melanesian
- The composition listed for Hawaii (Warband and Skirmishers) should belong to Fiji, Samoa, or Tonga

Thanks!
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Sun May 12, 2019 9:32 am

Both Khitan-Liao lists have the general's troop type listed as Knights, but the lists don't contain any. It should say Elite Cav instead.
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Sun May 12, 2019 9:36 am

Speaking of Khitan Knights, the Jurchen Jin Rebellion list have Khitan heavy horse as Knights or Elite Cav. Seeing they don't get a Knights option in their own list, I've got a hard time seeing why they should here.

In the Later Jurchen Jin list, you've got "Superior Jurchen Horsemen" as Elite Cav or Bad Horse, while the "Jurchen horsemen with poor training and support" are all Bad Horse. I'm guessing the superior guys should be all Elite Cav - else there isn't much superior about them!
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by David Kuijt » Mon May 13, 2019 2:31 am

Vic wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 8:17 am

I had a look at the lists as they are now and I'm afraid the confusion has spread rather than be reduced.

Unless I'm mistaken, there are now three sublists for which the composition is misattributed:
This was fixed late in 2018; we haven't uploaded those changes yet. We've been focused on a variety of other stuff (hardcopy rules, primarily, although that has myriad aspects) and lost track of uploading the changed version.
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by David Kuijt » Mon May 13, 2019 2:37 am

Andreas Johansson wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 9:36 am
Speaking of Khitan Knights, the Jurchen Jin Rebellion list have Khitan heavy horse as Knights or Elite Cav. Seeing they don't get a Knights option in their own list, I've got a hard time seeing why they should here.
Thanks, I'll fix.
Andreas Johansson wrote:
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In the Later Jurchen Jin list, you've got "Superior Jurchen Horsemen" as Elite Cav or Bad Horse, while the "Jurchen horsemen with poor training and support" are all Bad Horse. I'm guessing the superior guys should be all Elite Cav - else there isn't much superior about them!
The issue is more complicated than that -- the numbers need to work so the total number of mounted dudes maxes out at no greater than in the regular list. Some of them might be (still) superior; or potentially as crappy as the rest of them. So it is not possible to set up the list as 0-2 Elite Cavalry and 2-6 Bad Horse, as that could potentially be 8 stands of mounted -- more than in the period before their mounted went to crap.

We'll look at changing the color text to make clear that the top guys might be "superior" or might just be superior to the really crappy guys (but still bad horse).
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:57 pm

The Beidi list has "Red Ti fierce fighters" with the tribal name in Wade-Giles: should be "Red Di".

Also, since the list only covers the Red Di with subjects, it should perhaps be renamed "Red Di", leaving the other flavours of Di to the Other Early Chinese Border Tribes list.

("Beidi" means "Northern Di", and is effectively synonymous with bare "Di" (second tone) - not to be confused with the "Di" (first tone) of the Former Qin list and others - which probably originally designated a specific tribe but became a catch-all for "northern barbarians".)
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by David Kuijt » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:18 pm

Andreas Johansson wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:57 pm
("Beidi" means "Northern Di", and is effectively synonymous with bare "Di" (second tone) - not to be confused with the "Di" (first tone) of the Former Qin list and others - which probably originally designated a specific tribe but became a catch-all for "northern barbarians".)
Now you're just messing with me...
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:31 pm

In the Konradin list, you get 7-8 German knights, 3 Italian knights, and 2 Spanish knights. Unless there's a negative-cost battle card available, you can't ever take the eighth German element as the minima already add up to 12x4=48 points.
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Re: Meshwesh minor errors and typos

Post by Andreas Johansson » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:47 pm

The Late Imperial Roman East list begins in 325, but Constantine is available with a better manoeuvre rating from 324.

(Also, as previously pointed out, Constantius' manoeuvre rating is the same as the normal one, so at least one of the numbers is wrong - guessing that the normal one should be 3, so that Constantine improves by one and Constantius worsens by one?)
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