Eastern Forest Americans

[Pavane]

The Meshwesh list for Eastern Forest Americans has no allied contingents or enemies. The DBA 2 army list has North Welsh, Viking, and Eastern Forest Americans as enemies. Meshwesh has none. I suspect that they should at least have an enemy list,.

[Rod]

I believe this came up in another thread and DK is working on it, but they are slightly lower on the priority list.

Obviously they have themselves as enemies

[David Kuijt]

The Meshwesh list for Eastern Forest Americans has no allied contingents or enemies. The DBA 2 army list has North Welsh, Viking, and Eastern Forest Americans as enemies. Meshwesh has none. I suspect that they should at least have an enemy list,.

There are another dozen North American lists in process; fixing the enemies lists of Eastern Forest Americans won't be a priority until the time when all the North American lists are up and working.

North Welsh and Viking are reasonable for enemies lists for a skirmish game; I've yet to be convinced that there is any justification for enemies links for a mass combat system. The largest Viking v. Anglo-Saxon and Viking v. Welsh historical battles are already small enough to be close to the limit for the game system, often less than a thousand combatants total. Any "battles" between Vikings or Welsh and EFA would be at most 1/10th that size -- if a single stand represents something like 5 actual persons, using a mass combat system for the battle doesn't really work.

[Pavane]

The size and style of battle is a problem for North America. It just doesn't fit the game system.

[David Kuijt]

The size and style of battle is a problem for North America. It just doesn't fit the game system.

To some extent yes, but the Viking and (theoretical) Welsh settlements are smaller still. Cahokia in the 12th century was larger than London or York at the same time (10,000-40,000 inhabitants). Although we have only sparse information about their warfare, the various Mississippian cultures are clearly large enough for army lists. In contrast, it's unlikely the Viking settlements were large enough to field even 50 warriors at their height; the Madoc story of 1170 seems clearly the result of Elizabethan-era myth creation with an eye to establishing a British claim to the New World 300 years before Spain.

The population of the Pacific Northwest was notable before the introduction of smallpox, tuberculosis, and other European diseases.