Meshwesh minor errors and typos

[Wendy]

In other words, if your Gallic tribe is Helvetii or Belgae, you get 24 pts of Warriors (minimum). If your tribe is Aedui, Arverni, Sequani, or a dozen other Gallic tribes, you get 24 pts of Light Infantry (minimum).

You never get both. So the minimum is 30 pts for the army, not 54.

Perfect! That's the part that I was missing! Thanks!!

[Gregorius]

A dreaded spammer?

Cheers,

[David Kuijt]

A dreaded spammer?

Cheers,

Squelched.

[Andreas Johansson]

The Early Medes list has "Mannian" allies. Those should be Mannaian.

[Andreas Johansson]

Scots Isles and Highlands have two allied contingents designated as "Orkney or Manx Vikings". Given their contents and the lists they're drawn from I imagine the first should be "Orkney Vikings" and the second "Manx Vikings".

[David Kuijt]

Scots Isles and Highlands have two allied contingents designated as "Orkney or Manx Vikings". Given their contents and the lists they're drawn from I imagine the first should be "Orkney Vikings" and the second "Manx Vikings".

Yes, this is a case where the impulse to "simplify" by grouping took over, and the two should have been separated. Done now. Thanks for the help. (and with the spelling error on Mannaian; also fixed)

[Andreas Johansson]

The Polish allies for Hussites say "Full Army List: not available". Presumably this should be "Later Polish"?

[kdrake5]

Hi all,

The Golden Horde and Successors list has three slots of Horse Bow. One is the half-battle line 4/10 entry, another is 0/1 no battle line, and the last is 0/2 no battle line (min/max for each).

[David Kuijt]

Hi all,

The Golden Horde and Successors list has three slots of Horse Bow. One is the half-battle line 4/10 entry, another is 0/1 no battle line, and the last is 0/2 no battle line (min/max for each).

That's not an error, it is just confusing because the color text on that army (army list 279a) isn't up on Meshwesh yet. The first line (4-10 stands of Horsebow) is normal Tartar light horsemen. Then they could have 0-2 stands of Cumans, and finally 0-1 stands of other internal cultural groups (Alans, Mordvin, etc.).

We're finalizing color text; my records show we're at about army list 240a; that means we're about 2/3 of the way through.

[David Kuijt]

The Polish allies for Hussites say "Full Army List: not available". Presumably this should be "Later Polish"?

No, not actually.

The internal database structure is necessarily rather complicated. Without going into database structure terminology, there are a variety of possibilities for "Allies". Hitting the main three, we have:

1. Normal allies. The proportions of the various subtypes available as "allies" to the main list are approximately related to the proportions in the army list of the allied list. So, for example, we know that Alexander the Great had an alliance with Taxiles (an Indian ruler) against Porus, and that Taxiles supplied 5000 men to the battle of the Hydaspes. Without further information, we have no reason not to suppose that those 5000 were distributed similarly to the normal Classical Indian army list, but with lesser numbers.
2. Special allies. An allied contingent that is nowhere represented by an army list. For example, the League of Constance is an "ally" for the Later Swiss, but there is no specific "League of Constance" army list.
3. Normal allies (where there is an army list of that culture somewhere) but not in the normal army list proportions. Which is what is happening with the Polish allies for the Hussites. The Polish troops for the Hussites are just a stand of Knights and the possibility of a stand of Lithuanian horsemen (since this was the period where the Polish and Lithuanian Kingdoms were combined, in essence). That does not look anything like the proportions of the normal Later Polish army list.

In case 3 above you cannot play Grand Triumph with two Hussite army lists and one Later Polish army list -- that would be an inaccurate representation of the Grand Triumph "Hussite with Polish help" army. Which is why you got the message you did.

I'm not sure how we could better communicate that concept within the database. Your question is reasonable, and points out that our message isn't very clear. But the message is not an error -- you should not have access to the Later Polish army list when making the Grand Triumph army for Hussites with some Poles along for the ride.

Does that help?